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Next Rob’s Vegas and Poker Blog: A Shark in Guppy’s Clothing—Revisited. Published by bryfaeglz. View all posts by bryfaeglz Leave a Reply Cancel reply. If I can be serious for a moment, Alan, why did you buy into Rob's claims and phony stories. For years I read his articles and I put my trust in the editorial process. In other words, I believed Gaming Today must have verified his reports. But what I believed was that a high limit player won about 100k a year. Rob told me he was a $25/coin VP.

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Recently quite a bit of discussion about Rob Singer has erupted in the Suspension List thread, starting with this post. I would split those posts off, but that thread is too long and dis-functional to be split off. That is what happens when people don't close off tags.
Please take the discussion about him here. Forum rules prohibit passing on messages from banned members, which he is, and I do not want to see quoting or linking to other forums. My apologies to those who already posted in the Suspension List thread. You are welcome to copy and paste your posts here.
The question for the poll is what do you think of Rob Singer?
Interview with him:
I heard they were really successful releasing the troll movie straight to the internet. Was he in the movie?AlanMendelsonI hear he recently admitted that his decades of preaching that video poker machines do not deal cards randomly was all an act and his real angle was exploiting a double-or-nothing bug. Personally, I haven't seen any evidence either way, so take no side on that.
In the unlikely event Rob Singer should read this and have something worth saying, I am open to doing a second interview. He can reach me through the 'contact' form at Wizard of Odds.TDVegasOkay, time for me to add context. I am a sports handicapper. Have been for 40 years. Let's get that out of the way. My first 2500 posts or thereabouts at VCT, I did not mention that.
Anybody know who Uri Geller is? Or James Randi? One of my lifelong hobbies has been debunking paranormal claims. So I am familiar with CSICOP and the JREF, and I was even a card-carrying investigator/writer for the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments). The SSDPE, unfortunately, lasted about two years. Anyway, what Singer was pulling with Alan was, I thought, very similar to what Geller had pulled off with the SRI (Stanford Research Institute). Geller had fooled a bunch of physicists, which helped make him famous. I thought Singer was using Alan the same way. So I actually signed up at VCT to follow this relationship. Singer, in a sense, has always been claiming 'paranormal abilities,' although he would argue against that framing.
It took Randi and other debunkers to expose Geller. At the time, there were few WoVers at VCT (I suppose the banishment hammer was wielded more lightly back then). The only folks at VCT qualified to take on Singer back then were a guy named Arcimede$ and a few others. I was not qualified as I am no video poker expert (I play about 40-50 hours a year). But I did point out when there were obvious egregious logical or mathematical errors that even I could catch.
I was flummoxed that Alan bought into the whole Singer schtick, as I had been concurrent with Singer in Las Vegas in the 90's, when he had his Gaming Today column, which usually riffed on his bizarro systems. I was spending 100 days a year in LV back then, and GT put Singer on the front page half the time. GT's decisions regarding him were curious, to say the least, and I have some longshot theories on that. But save them for another day.
Anyway, a handful of us tried to steer Alan away from Singer for years, but were unable to do so. Singer had glommed onto Alan to ramp up his notoriety. And we wound up with those videos of Singer explaining (but not really) his systems while wearing horrible Hawaiian shirts. Sorry -- I have a fixation on what lecturers should wear, and Hawaiian shirts are a terrible distraction to an audience.
Singer got into tax debates as to what he had done and so on, and there was a period of time he was supposed to send Alan tax returns and never did. One of Alan's problems was that Alan didn't have much respect at the time for the 'little players' like Arcimede$ or others who made small amounts of money every year. Singer's claims of annual windfalls were splashier and had more PR volume to them.
Eventually, Singer (considering himself a master of everything -- LOL), made a few comments about sports gambling, which demonstrated that he knew very little. He was giving bad advice -- which, by the way, is not rare. This forum gives some really bad advice. I then stepped up after 2500 posts and said, 'I do this for a living and you don't know what you're talking about,' and that's when Singer started making garbage up about me and posting the garbage at VCT. Really vile things regarding my late wife (who he said committed suicide; don't know where he got that). And then claiming I had been soliciting him to 'buy picks.' But of course he lost my phone number, the texts, etc.
Oh yeah, Singer started off acknowledging there was a 'Robert Dietz -- Sports Handicapping Pro,' but then decided the dude posting as redietz at VCT wasn't me. I offered to prove I was me with the infamous 'package to Alan,' but Alan didn't want to read it after I mailed it. That's a whole 'nother story.
Singer decided to go with the double up bug story, which makes halfway sense in explaining some things. If he was involved in that, however, he did not 'discover it.' He would have been an errand boy, a kind of video poker equivalent of a 'runner' in sports betting terminology.
I did want to add this. I didn't suddenly become pro-Alan because he's anti-Singer. Debunking the paranormal is filled with stories of reasonably intelligent people who went off the rails supporting this or that wild claim to ability. Psychics have a lot of followers (that's how they wind up with their own shows). But there are also many epiphany moments when people figure out that they've been the victim of hokum. You have to welcome those people back into the realm of science and math and reality without holding too big a grudge.
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Last edited by: redietz on Apr 29, 2020
'You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence.'Why are we talking about this? Is it because he did something to you Alan or is it because he is saying things about you?AlanMendelson

Why are we talking about this? Is it because he did something to you Alan or is it because he is saying things about you?

For about a year I've been struggling with how to deal with Rob's confession to me.
For years I provided Rob an outlet to show his controversial strategies and beliefs.
When he said to me that he wasn't accurate in what he told me I had to report that. Please see my post above from my own website.
Also over the years I asked for proof of his various claims. Rob provided explanations about why he could not or would not supply proof. As I posted above and on my website I leave it to others to decide what they want to believe.
But I have an obligation to make this clear: Rob had claimed ten years and a million dollars of winnings from a system he said he could teach to anyone. Then he changed that. He said he won about $300,000 over three years from that system, and he won $2.8-million from something that was secret and may have been illegal.
I had to report that. I also had to report that he told me he had no proof of the new claim.
If I interviewed Company X that told me 90% of profits came from popcorn sales, but later said only 20% of profits came from popcorn and 70% of profits came from selling DVDs that may have been bootlegged, I'd have to report that change too.

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A pioneer	No votes (0%)
A good singer	1 vote (3.22%)
Always right	No votes (0%)
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I have no interest in the man, just the origin of his pen name. I've heard from multiple people it was a dig at Mr. Dancer( which shockingly isn't his real name either), but the timing seems off.

Singer has actually said himself many times that his pen name was meant as a Dancer dig.

Singer has actually said himself many times that his pen name was meant as a Dancer dig.

And we know he would never tell a lie. I'm just surprised he was using this alias so long. I didn't get into gambling until 1999 and didn't go to Vegas until September 2001. I'm not sure when I first heard of Bob Dancer.

He robbed a singer in a drug deal gone bad.

Or maybe he did a lot of sewing.

Rob Sunger has never provided proof of anything. Finally he says he will provide proof that he owns a mega RV, which he purportedly won with the profits of the Double Up Bug which he claims he found first.

Come on now Alan....did you miss the Photos of Rob posing in the RV? If you did...page 15 of this very thread. Now of course that is if you just ignore that the RV he posed in was located at Arizona Luxury Coach dealership, just a few miles from Rob's home. lol
And if that wasn't enough for you, what about the 'bill of sale' maybe even more amateurish, copied from the internet with no company letterhead or logo, supposedly from a company that was bankrupt and closed at the time. These pieces of proof not good enough for you?

Why do I care? Because for years I put my reputation on the line supporting his claims; I gave him a huge public platform to make his claims. But he never provided proof. I regret he deceived me.

If I can be serious for a moment, Alan, why did you buy into Rob's claims and phony stories. Was it maybe because, as a -EV player, you wanted to believe some of these voodoo strategies that defy math?
I always say these kind of guys, conmen if you will, can't pull off their con without some enablers, In this case Alan was one of those enablers for years, providing credibility that Rob needed. I give Alan credit for now realizing that. Better late than never.

If I can be serious for a moment, Alan, why did you buy into Rob's claims and phony stories.

For years I read his articles and I put my trust in the editorial process. In other words, I believed Gaming Today must have verified his reports.
But what I believed was that a high limit player won about 100k a year. Rob told me he was a $25/coin VP player. Frankly it's easy to believe someone could make a profit of $100k playing VP at $125 per push.
Remember I hit three $100k royals in about a year. If not for craps I too would have had $100k profit in a year. (Those days are over now.)
When the red flag went up for me is when Rob and I had breakfast at Red Rock and he claimed HE discovered the DUB. I said to myself 'dont do this Rob.' And then instead of winning $100k per year he claimed untold wealth and winnings.
That's when I realized he never proved anything and his claims got bigger and bigger.
It's time for proof.

That's when I realized he never proved anything and his claims got bigger and bigger.
It's time for proof.

Here is the thing about proof, IMO. These are anonymous message boards. Even if someone chooses to use their real name, no one is on trial and should be expected to prove anything. Even those of us that use a 'handle', many people, especially the longer term members of the forums know a real name (stupidity on my part).
I have made claims involving amounts won and lost for years. Being that I am not all that smart, and could add little to math related discussions that would benefit anyone, I decided early on that I would share my journey, as a low and later mid-level card counter trying to earn a living through card counting. There was no way I was going to be able to do that without using actual dollar amounts, involving wins losses, both on a daily playing basis (fluctuation and win losing periods) and annual results. Transferring numbers to generic 'units' would have meant nothing and benefited no one as far as expectation of what to expect. So I used actual numbers and have taken a lot of flack over the years for it.
Other players share different numbers for different reasons. And here is the thing about doing that. THE MATH HAS TO AT LEAST WORK! That is the low bar hurdle.
Someone claiming to make 100k playing blackjack playing $5 table limits...the math doesn't work.
Likewise, someone claiming 100k winnings from video poker year after year playing negative EV games....the math doesn't work. Sure it is possible to hit a big jackpot or may 2 or 3 for a year, that would allow a player to win for that year playing -EV (short term), but to claim that year after year....is unrealistic.
Now still, no one is required to prove anything. Members of forums can decide for themselves. I am sure you have heard me say 'it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking'. If you combine that will the low bar hurdle of does the math work and it shouldn't be hard to figure out who is legit and who is in fantasyland.

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Now Rob is a special case. He has been relentless with his troll (that is what I call this decades long fantasy claims) of the gambling community. Claim after claim, fail to even meet that low bar of the math working. Every single claim defies that mathematics.
And then he escalated with the double up bug. At some point, he read the Kane / Nestor double up bug story, probably the wired article, which is the most referenced version, and simply stole that story for his own, claiming he found and played that double up bug for 5 years prior to Kane / Nestor getting busted. I mean THAT is one hell of a claim. That is brinks heist type claim. It is not unreasonable to ask for some kind of supporting evidence. 2 different forum owners / administrators even asked for something to verify this claim.
And of course that led to the staged pictures inside a RV for sale at a dealership and the phony bill of sales, with no letterhead in which the signatures of the salesman and buyer are in the same handwriting. I mean that is it.....case closed. Whatever scheme Rob has planned for next month, in which he is going to show off a high end RV to anyone interested, is just more baloney. Maybe it is a friends or he is renting an RV next month for whatever reason, but it doesn't matter. The guy has already struck out. People gave him 5 or 6 strikes and he whiffed on each. Now he wants another. LOL.

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